[maemo-community] Banned from maemo.org - someone went ape shit nuts?!

[From: Arie Mark]

I wish we could stop wasting time on Estel and keep maemo alive, this is a time where we have to band together more than ever :)

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 12, 2012, at 11:58 AM, Niel Nielsen <nieldk at gmail.com> wrote:

> understood Mate, never considered you an enemy, sorry if that wasnt clear in that mail. I have always respected you a lot :)
> 
> /Niel
> 
> On Monday, November 12, 2012, Arie Mark wrote:
> Neil I was never an enemy, I have always respected council and what they have done, especially during your term. No one has done more damage to the council name than Estel. Did he deserve a community device yes, did he act childish afterwards, yes. I want to publicly state some old maemo users asked me to run so Estel didn't get voted into council but sadly he did. We dug our graves and now we can lay in it. Please ban Estel from the mailing list or at the very least limit him from number of mails he can send to the 
> Mailing list daily. I want Estel to stay around. The old Estel, not the current one.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 12, 2012, at 11:01 AM, Niel Nielsen <nieldk at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> While you are right about that IP not for certainty belongs to the same router (btw its called dynamic IP), it could hold as evidence anyway.
>> 1 it is very - very - unlikely that the IP would be dynamically assigned to another router, which would then connect to Maemo.
>> 2 despite ISPs  being assigned dynamically, very likely the same router would keep the IP, even for years
>> 3 might not even be dynamic, X can sign up (pay) to be guaranteed a static IP (this would actually just be a reserved, dynamic IP)
>> 
>> It is sad to read this trolling, inconstructive, critisism of working council, Estel, is your goal to dismentle the community? Even a previous 'enemy' of mine (no worries Arie, no worries, you had some valid critism) is going against you Estel. I think you, even off council, would help and get more benefits, from assisting in the hard times confronting the community et al.
>> 
>> /Niel
>> 
>> On Monday, November 12, 2012, Ilya Skriblovsky wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Just want to add some fresh opinion to this horrible flame. It's "fresh" because I don't really know the background: I don't know why Estel was banned and why it is so opposite to the Council.
>> (Though I'm subscribed to this list, I'm rare reading it further subject line because starting with Community Awards discussion in June, 95% of mails here are full of flame and lacking of any constructive).
>> 
>> But this situation seems very ugly to me. Screenshot with blurred IP addresses is certainly not an evidence at all. If screenshot was with exact IP match as Mohammad said, then I miss the point for blurring other IPs.
>> If all blurred IPs are the same and same with Estel's, please publish original screenshot. If they differ — please remove the ban, admit your mistake and stop this shame.
>> 
>> (By the way, even if all IPs are the same, it is not 100% evidence of identity of these accounts since if mentioned Polish network provides variable IP addresses, it's not a wonder if several IPs will accidentally match somewhen. Deep login history research is the only way to be 100% sure.)
>> 
>> Yours,
>> Mitrandir
>> 
>> 
>> 2012/11/12 twilight312 at gmail.com <twilight312 at gmail.com>
>> On pon 12 lis 2012 14:58:00 CET, Reggie Suplido <reggie at internettablettalk.com> wrote: 
>> 
>> > Stop playing with community man. Here's the proof: 
>> > https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A7gWTNeCMAAyhVX.png 
>> 
>> Another thing about this pathetic incident - I see few other names listed there. While "Letsee" was my account - that I have never concealed in any way, signing posts from there as "/Estel" - there is also aquamarine. 
>> 
>> Who is that person and what happened with this account? Was it banned in Reggie's madness too? Have this person tried to contact TMO admins, or just gave up on Maemo, after being treaten like that? 
>> 
>> /Estel
>> 
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