[maemo-developers] 3.2007.10-7 - Detailed change log?

[From: Daniel Stone]

On Fri, Aug 03, 2007 at 06:19:40PM +0100, ext Neil MacLeod wrote:
> Let's face it, the existence of two bug tracking systems (one internal and one public) isn't helping matters

This is a basic requirement of corporate security, for reasons I assumed
were obvious, but given that they apparently aren't: having non-public
information in the same BTS as the public one opens it wide up for abuse
if a hole is found in Bugzilla, e.g.  This is not acceptable.

> nor is the repeated promises that the situation will improve when there is little evidence of this happening - there is precious little Nokia involvement in the public Bugzilla, bug #1204 being a prime example.

As has been noted repeatedly in public, our SD/MMC guy is on holiday
(continental Europe has this one month of holiday in summer thing), so
there's not a lot a lot we can do until he gets back.  There is no more
information about this in private than in public.  So that's a pretty
terrible example.

> Why is it not possible to use the public bugzilla to track the majority of the bugs? I'm sure your internal system is tracking bugs that we also eventually find, but why do we have to double up on bug detection and reporting duties?

Because of reasons of security I've explained above.  A decision was
made (for better or worse) to launch the N800 immediately as it was
sold.  Now imagine that we had the same Bugzilla, and back in January
2006, someone used one of the Bugzilla vulnerabilities (of which there
have been a few) to access private bugs, which dealt with the N800.
Wouldn't really work so well.

> Changelogs though are fundamental, and I don't really care for Nokia bureaucracy or inefficiency. I realise that's not your fault, and I'm sorry to say that it's this Nokia bureaucracy that is going to kill the Nokia Internet Tablet project as developers move on to other projects where they don't have to bang their heads against these kind of brick walls.

I'm glad to hear that you don't really care for it (you're hardly the
only one), but however you word it, the procedures and rules exist, and
we all have to deal with them.  Ranting at the developers who take their
time out to try to get involved in maemo-developers@ will hardly help
this, since it's not like we can change it.  But maybe that's just me.

Cheers,
Daniel, but a cog
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