[maemo-developers] Localhost unavailable when wi-fi offline or not connected

[From: Allan Doyle]

On May 2, 2007, at 13:37, Antonio Gomes wrote:

> allan,
>
> what minimo maemo port version are you running ?

That's the funny thing. I was blitzing through a number of things,  
then reflashed, and wound up not getting back to it before I realized  
I don't know where I had found the Minimo. If I find it again, I can  
try it out again...

	Allan

>
> On 5/2/07, Allan Doyle <afdoyle at mit.edu> wrote:
>> On May 2, 2007, at 11:26, Mike Cowlishaw wrote:
>>
>> > Hmm, yes, same discussion – thanks.  Unfortunately that thread just
>> > faded out with no real solution for how to connect to running
>> > server on N800 when offline.   One suggestion 'rewrite the
>> > application'  definitely not an option (especially as I've spent
>> > two months porting it to N800…).
>> >
>> >
>> > mfc
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Antonio Gomes [mailto:tonikitoo at gmail.com]
>> >
>> >
>> > maybe same discussion at http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-
>> > developers/2007-February/007762.html ?
>> >
>> > On 5/1/07, Mike Cowlishaw <mfc at acm.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi, I have a Wiki running on my N800 using the usual configuration
>> > (for many
>> > applications) of a TCP/IP server running on the local host address
>> > (127.0.0.1) and an TCP/IP client on the same device.  (In this case
>> > an HTTP
>> > web server and the Opera browser.)
>> >
>> > While trying to test this on an aeroplane at the weekend -- with  
>> Wi-Fi
>> > offline, of course -- the browser would not connect to the server.
>> > I've
>> > since experimented further and find a similar (or the same) problem
>> > occurs
>> > online if no Wi-Fi connection is active.
>> >
>> > This is a showstopper for my application as it means I cannot
>> > easily view my
>> > data unless online and connected -- is there a fix/workaround?
>> >
>> > Thanks -- mfc
>>
>> It's pretty clear that there is a class of applications that needs to
>> have a browser run against an on-board server even in places where
>> it's not possible or not desirable to connect to an actual network.
>>
>> For my purposes, I'd be happy with any solution that either
>>
>> 1) Provides something similar to the old DUMMY IAP hack
>>
>> 2) Allows me to configure Opera for offline use. There's actually a
>> setting in opera.ini that's tantalizing - "Offline Mode=0" - but no
>> matter what I do it does not seem to change Opera's behavior.
>>
>> 3) Uses a non-Opera browser, e.g. Minimo. I found a copy of Minimo
>> that sort of runs on ITOS2007 but I couldn't get it working enough
>> for what I need to do. (And, since then, I lost track of where I
>> found it in the first place). The ITOS2006 compatible Minimo was fine
>> in offline mode but needed too much memory.
>>
>> The pattern of "on-board HTTP server + local web pages" makes a
>> really powerful application development environment. I'm using
>> Python's BaseHTTPServer class to build a local server and Javascript/
>> AJAX web pages to build the user interface. The beauty of this
>> paradigm is that you can use tools like Firefox's Firebug on a  
>> laptop/
>> desktop system to build the UI, even while talking to the server on
>> the tablet. And, of course, it's possible to run the Python server
>> code on a laptop/desktop as well.
>>
>> I'd like to encourage the people who are able to do so to actually
>> pursue each of the options above. I'm not well-versed enough in Maemo
>> development to help with any of the three but I'll sure put them to
>> good use!
>
> -- 
> --Antonio Gomes

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Allan Doyle
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