[maemo-developers] maemo.org community leadership - the maemo.org Community Council

[From: Paul Bloch]

Hey guys,
So Maemo, as we all feel has enormous potential and we all feel
investment in making things work out for the best.  So instead of each
taking a side, why not find a better solution than what people are
envisioning from a position of separation.  Because obviously there
are pros and cons to both scenarios.  Direction given by passionate
members can help steer things in the right direction or stifle it (a
la gimp).  And sometimes mob rule is horrible because there is no room
to innovate outside people's expectations.  So obviously you are both
right here.  Please don't bicker on the list, it brings the
conversation lower and turns a thread into a flame.  I try to read all
of these mails and I prefer when things are in the positive.  That's
what keeps me motivated and everyone motivated to contribute.  Keeping
up morale is a big deal, especially in the floss world.  What about a
democratically elected council that is renewed every quarter?  Or
using a "flex/flow" organizational model like holacracy as I has put
forth for recommendation?  I think roles are very important, and they
keep people focused and in the right kind of relationship with each
other.  I like the idea of a dynamic social network of passionate
contributors, how can we create that?

It's important to think about the "picture" of the future because then
we can all contribute to that picture.  So why not paint the most
incredible thing we can envision and find out how to get there?
That's how scenario planners and futurists work with corporations.
And I think we can all recognize great products that come out of great
teams, and usually those teams are formed by a common context and
vision.

Can't we all just get along? ;)

-Paul



On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Darius Jack <dariusjack2006 at yahoo.ie> wrote:
> hi,
>
> you are completely wrong.
> I always and ever speak for myself.
>
> "
>
> he wants to speak for them all
> "
> NO NO NO
> (see above)
>
> There is a serious problem at maemo, as some guys from maemo
> don't need any community, any open discussion, any collaboration.
> What they need is power.
>
> Yesterday one guy from maemo said
> "communities need moderators"
> .
> Open free source software developers don't need moderators.
> What I develop and test is multitouch solutions, gesture recognition,
> new user-computer interfaces and the like.
> There is no place at maemo for such work, solutions.
> I tried to subscribe to developers section at Maemo 3 times
> and 3 times server generated nothing what could let me in.
> So I gave up, still working at some other places.
> I don't need moderators from maemo to control what I
>  should work on.
>
> Managing Multimedia Magazines at Google
> I don't need third party moderators
> as it's me who can hold a position of a moderator.
>
> Fight for leadership at Maemo is what kills Maemo
> and any idea of Nokia to have Maemo to work
> for the benefit of Nokia.
>
> Get real man, there are hundreds of hot places globe-wide,
> you an develop your ideas, projects, solutions in nice
> association, no moderators, full democracy
> and you an still say NO for Maemo Community Council
> not hurting anyone.
>
>
> Darius
> http://groups.google.com/group/metallica4you/web/magazines?hl=en
>
>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 13/6/08, ed at okerson.com <ed at okerson.com> wrote:
>
> From: ed at okerson.com <ed at okerson.com>
> Subject: RE: maemo.org community leadership - the maemo.org Community
> Council
> To: maemo-developers at maemo.org
> Date: Friday, 13 June, 2008, 9:18 PM
>
>>> Any activities by communities financed, sponsored, donated by Nokia
>>> or other corporations, must follow the basic goal of the corporation.
>>
>> In general yes, and here the community adds value to Nokia. So there
>> should be no problem unless this is all simply a rant against
>> Nokia/commercial use of Linux, and in fact you had no intention of
>> giving any useful input to the questions that were posed?
>
> This does in fact appear to be a rant from Darius Jack.  I have not found
> any references to anything he has contributed to any open source
> community, yet he wants to speak for them all.  The relationship between
> commercial entities and the open source community has been explained to
> him more than once, but he does not care to understand.  Time to flip the
> bozo bit.
>
> Ed
>  Okerson
>
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