[maemo-developers] Maemo not a List of Mentoring Organizations Participating in Google Summer of Code 2008

[From: Darius Jack]

Sorry, but Noop ;)
Completely wrong as before.
Students can join opened projects only.
If you don't have opened project, how could you expect to have students to join your project.
It works exactly as Google pointed out.
First project idea than students.
Initiative is up to project managers, mentoring organizations tgo open projects not students.
Please read Google Summer of Code FAQ and Terms.

(you said: Sure, it might require a bit more initiative for the students to 
find or think of the projects, but GSoC is about finding students with 
the initiative to get involved and hopefully stay involved - exactly 
what we're looking for.)
Really ?

I fully understand what you mean.
Too much money goes to students on stipends and pocket money to mentoring organization only ($4,500 vs. $500) and all code goes to Google.
Ok, but you still get free workers or workers for free to work with you, under your supervision.
Really fantastic idea in our hard times on Wall Street to win free promotion by Google.

In my life span I was involved, joined, supervised more than 100 projects, from very small one-man to projects in global education, distance learning, incorporation of virtual corporation, remote managment of VC, rm of VC staff,

And project management model provided by Google is not bad.
You have a listing of open projects/ideas and have millions of students to join or not to join, making their.own free decision.

20 years ago Usenet / Bietnet was the only place for startups of new projects.
Nowadays public/private forums, as a meeting place, provide such opportunity.

But there is good project without money and more money provided better project completed.
Students in general have no money but have good brains and some free time.

Unfortunately, there is a conflicting idea, especially in EU, to have students to join projects, co-financed by the Commission of the EU and let them still call such projects non-business open-source ones.

So there is a large number of hot projects, co-financed and sponsored by EU, business, corporations and that part of a project of special importance, involving
a lot of work hours, efforts and money in initial stages of design, think-tank,
goes listed as open source project to attract free workers, working for free.

Today, such strategy of hidden financing of business projects by free workers is called Groups.
Groups are created on the Internet and run some projects as open source.
If project is successful, it goes to business and generates profits.
If unsaccessfull evolves in another project code name.

Sometimes developed in parallel to a business project, gives business oriented ppl insight into hot issues for free and none Non-Disclosure Clause is in force.

So closing, Google's idea of Summer Code is not bad.
Google is a known as a business entity, corporation, public company
and give students real opportunity to participate in hundreds of projects.

Please name me another corporation, another company or a school, university, showing such initiative and interest in providing space for development of so many open projects.

I am not for or against Google but it really makes sense to open such platforms for student project.
MIT is ok, unfortunately R&D projects are closed as financed by third parties.

So I really see no problem for Maemo to join Google Summer of Code every year.
All you need is to file an application form.


Darius





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Ryan Pavlik <abiryan at ryand.net> wrote: Darius Jack wrote:
> Noop.
> Completely wrong.
> Just read more about Google Summer of Code from
> http://code.google.com/soc/2008/
> "
> All participating mentoring organizations for 2008 have provided 
> additional information for their would-be students, including a list 
> of sample project ideas.
> "
> Being listed as a mentoring organization has nothing to do with past 
> interest of students in activities of a mentoring organization in-spe,
> as you firstly get listed as a mentoring organization and than
> attract potential students.
> $4,500 stipend offered by Google is great chance for any student and 
> much more than N810 apiece.
>
> What Google said:
> "
> If you find you have a great idea to improve one of the projects you 
> see listed, why not start working on it now?
> "
> You are right, Google Summer of Code attracts more mentors than students
> "
> /Google Summer of Code/ 2008 is on! Over the past three years, the 
> program has brought together over 1500 students and 2000 mentors from 
> 90 countries worldwide, all for the love of code. We look forward to 
> welcoming more new contributors and projects this year.
> "
> But there is a chance to chan ge things for the better and discuss 
> that issue with Google.
> On the other hand Google with Google Maps application is first-class 
> and first hand competitor to Nokia Tablet as a navigation device.
>
> Anyway, attracting students to Maemo is attracting new customers to 
> buy more N810s, so, in our hard times on Wall Street, Nokia not Maemo, 
> should be interested in promotion of its great Nokia Tablet in any 
> form of promotion, provided for free.
>
> Lost chance is lost chance
> and any stipend granted by Google to a prospective student is lost 
> forever.
>
> Darius
I wouldn't go quite that far - there are a lot of downstream projects, 
and a mighty good idea for some of them would be to produce or improve a 
Maemo port.  As a platform, Maemo has a lot to gain indirectly from 
improvements to other projects.  (Don't forget the upstream projects, 
too!)  Sure, it might require a bit more initiative for the students to 
find or think of the projects, but GSoC is about finding students with 
the initiative to get involved and hopefully stay involved - exactly 
what we're looking for.

-- 
Ryan Pavlik
www.cleardefinition.com

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