[maemo-developers] How to resolve network connectivity without using Qt Mobility in Qt?

[From: Sascha Mäkelä]

Hi Ville,

I did that and this is the response I got:

In fact, the issue is not we cannot install the missing libraries on our
own; it is that we cannot assume that end-users/consumers have this
knowledge to install the dependencies by themselves.

Thus, the current workaround for this is to package the dependencies into
the app build so that end-users/consumers do not have to handle this hassle.


Are you saying that Ovi Store is, after all, using a proper repository even
for paid apps? Could it be that all the people who know anything about Maemo
are currently on holidays and therefore I got this?

Cheers,

Sascha


On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 16:54, Ville M. Vainio <vivainio at gmail.com> wrote:

>  I believed this is a misunderstanding or bad test case on ovi QA side.
> They are trying dpkg -i to ensure dependencies on "clean" environment,
> without awareness that dependencies to nokia repositories are ok.
>
> Advice them of this.
>
>
>
> ----- Original message -----
> > Hi Ville,
> >
> > Let me just copy and paste here a few emails I got from Publish To Ovi
> > Support:
> >
> > As a matter of fact, this app is failed in QA because of "feature of
> > application manager direct installing from deb file cause that installing
>
> > will complain two dependence library: 'libqtm-bearer and
> > libqtm-systeminfo are missing.'", quoted from internal communication
> > with our back-end.
> >
> > The reason is that Nokia hasn't yet embedded Qt Mobility on N900.
> > Although it will happen soon, currently developers have to manually
> > package the Qt Mobility package with their apps.
> >
> > You may find the Qt Mobility package and its individual packages here:
> > http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/q/qt-mobility/.
> >
> > Files ending with _armel.deb are those ones that should be pre-installed
> > on N900 devices, whereas _i386.deb ones are for PC environment.
> >
> > To be specific, for your case, you should at least package the
> >
> http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/q/qt-mobility/libqtm-bearer_1.0.0-maemo1+0m5_armel.deb
> > and
> > the
> >
> http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/q/qt-mobility/libqtm-systeminfo_1.0.0-maemo1+0m5_armel.debinto
> > your final build.
> >
> >
> >
> > And here is a other one:
> >
> > In fact, the issue is not we cannot install the missing libraries on our
> > own; it is that we cannot assume that end-users/consumers have this
> > knowledge to install the dependencies by themselves.
> >
> > Thus, the current workaround for this is to package the dependencies into
>
> > the app build so that end-users/consumers do not have to handle this
> > hassle.
> >
> >
> >
> > And here is the final one:
> >
> > You can always try to build the Qt Mobility source with your app. The
> > source package can be downloaded at
> >
> http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/q/qt-mobility/qt-mobility_1.0.2-maemo1.tar.gz;
>
> > or you can use apt-get source libqtm-bearer to acquire.
> >
> > I'm also working on possible other solutions. Packaging a deb file into
> > another looks like having some trouble currently. I'll let you know if
> > I've made any progress. Sorry for the inconvenience.
> >
> >
> >
> > As you can see what I'm told by them, it seems that they are not using a
> > repository for paid apps. Do you have other information?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Sascha
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 16:16, Ville M. Vainio <vivainio at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Well, that's certainly not the general understanding (inside Nokia) of
> > > how it should work. Do you care to elaborate so that we can escalate
> > > the issue (with the understanding that it's holiday period...)?
> > >
> > > Definitely qtmobility is to be usable for Ovi store applications, and
> > > same applies for all the other packages that can be downloaded from
> > > nokia repos. If this is not currently the case, the process is broken
> > > at the moment. You should not change your apps design because of this
> > > glitch.
> > >
> > > ----- Original message -----
> > > > Hi Ville,
> > > >
> > > > Yes, this is what I thought too, but apparently Ovi Store is NOT
> > > > using a repository for paid apps. So it simply using "dpgk" to
> > > > install the deb files and therefore it's not able to install
> > > > dependencies. It's frankly quite shocking, but this is the situation.
>
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Sascha
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 15:54, Ville M. Vainio <vivainio at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Qt mobility is in official nokia repo (not extras). It's ok to
> > > > > depend on those packages when publishing at ovi store.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original message -----
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > After struggling for about a month with my app and the Ovi Store
> > > > > > QA, this is what I found out: apparently Ovi Store is not using a
>
> > > > > > repository, at least for paid apps, and therefore cannot install
> > > > > > dependencies. However, at the same time their QA team requires
> > > > > > quite a few things when dealing with network connectivity.
> > > > > > Obviously these requirements are not published anywhere,
> > > > > > otherwise this would be much
> > >
> > > > > > too easy!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyway, this is what I think they want:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. Detectect if the device is Offline and give appropriate
> > > > > > warning. 2. Detect if the device is connected and if not
> > > > > > establish the connection.
> > > > >
> > > > > > 3. If the connection is set to manual, the app needs to give the
> > > > > > necessary prompt.
> > > > > > 4. If the connection is set to automatic, it should connect
> > > > > > without any prompt.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So these, I believe, are the requirements of the Ovi Store
> > > > > > QA regarding network connectivity. Now the question is how can
> > > > > > this be done without using Qt Mobility (or any other library
> > > > > > that is not included with PR1.2)? Is it even possible?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It would be nice if there would be a Wiki page or something
> > > > > > where a sample code that would pass  Ovi Store's QA would be
> > > > > > available. I understands that most of the competing platforms
> > > > > > have these sample codes freely available, so to prevent the need
> > > > > > for devs to reinvent the wheel. It's about time Nokia would have
> > > > > > something similar. Currently it seems that while Nokia is
> > > > > > recommending Qt for everyone with great enthusiasm, their QA
> > > > > > team seems to be out of touch what is currently possible to do
> > > > > > with it and what not.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sascha
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
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