[maemo-developers] External Repository and HAM

[From: Benoît HERVIER]

There is this two for example :

https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6849
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6887

But as it s a pain to found something, and most of the time i got a
timeout when submitting things on bugzilla ... i've stop to try. And
for example this two one aren't fixed, so i didn't see any interest to
adding more things to the queue. I didn't blame anyone i know that you
are doing your best to improve things, this is just that i'm tired...

So i consider the discussion ended for me, there is no need to add
more whining to this discussion and i prefer to use my time to code,
improve, and fix my apps.

Best regards,

Le 8 mars 2010 16:34, Valerio Valerio <vdv100 at gmail.com> a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> 2010/3/8 Benoît HERVIER <khertan at khertan.net>
>>
>> By this thread i didn't want to launch a debate on why i'm creating my
>> own repository, but as it s on the table now :
>>
>> - There is change in rules that happen frequently which seems to
>> depends on phase of the moon.
>
> Like what ? The CLI rules that took several months to reach a consensus ?
>>
>> - There is latency in the display things in the maemo.org/packages/
>> interface which result of thumb down. Example : Last time i change the
>> bugtracker link this one was ok in the package but it tooks 3 hours
>> for this one to be displayed correctly in the web interface -> Result
>> : thumb down and comment saying that the bug tracker link is wrong ...
>> and of course other people vote thumb down without verifying nor the
>> link in the interface nor the link in the control file of the package.
>>
>> - Sometimes package is never displayed to the package web interface
>> .... so cannot promote it.
>>
>> - Sometimes promote package result is an php error, which mean that
>> the package will be not promoted and cannot be anymore without
>> publishing an other version and try again.
>>
>> - Sometimes icon display on the newest package is taken from an older one.
>>
>> - Sometimes changelog displayed on the armel version is taken from the
>> i386 package (occur only when the armel package version of an app is
>> newer than the i386 one)
>>
>
> Did you filled bug reports about these issues ?
>
> Best regards,
>
> --
> Valério Valério
>
> http://www.valeriovalerio.org
>
>> - I'm not agree with some QA rules, like the fact that you should
>> point as bug tracker the enter_new.php page so you do not let user
>> made a search before or display the current know bug, so it ll result
>> in duplicate bugs.
>
>
>
>>
>> - It s look like some users are here just to put thumb down just to
>> gain some karma.
>>
>> Also about bugzilla :
>>
>> - Creating a nice user interface to help user to automatically put
>> bugs directly on the tracker from their nit is not possible ... as
>> b.m.o use bugzilla and i cannot modify it to accept creation of new
>> bug from elsewhere than the ui.
>>
>> - Submitting bugs require a lot of patience actually, as i take
>> several minutes to validate it (servers too slow ?) .
>>
>> - Asking a new product or version in b.m.o require delay, as it s  not
>> something automated, but require you to send an email.
>>
>> And the most important things which guide my decision, is that
>> currently, many thumb down make me angry as there was wrong vote, and
>> the fact that i m passing more time to package than to develop didn't
>> help.
>>
>> As all of my apps depends on python, it ll not create a "package
>> dependancy hell."
>>
>> "I am not sure if you were around in the early days", i was, but i
>> found that actually it s worse. Take a look for example on
>> maemofrance.fr they say to all their readers that if they want
>> interesting apps they should add extras-devel in ham... but as you can
>> see there is many things that can break device in extras-devel
>> actually.
>>
>> "the developers have to understand that the testers are not slaves"
>> I didn't consider testers as slaves, but i consider today myself as
>> slave of the qa testing process.
>>
>> "If you drop out of Extras then you are not only causing damage to the
>> community (due to the proliferation of repositories) but also severely
>> limiting your access to users."
>>
>> The purpose isn't to causing damage to the community, but it s
>> actually too borring to trying to publish things to extras than
>> creating my own repository which is, i think, actually the better
>> solution i have ... The worst is stopping all publications of my
>> applications ... or just put the source code on my web site and
>> letting user installing it manually. At least i know 3 developpers
>> currently which consider to not upload to extras. And instead of that
>> creating there own repository, i didn't know there real reason ... i
>> just can imagine.
>>
>> The other solution i see is creating my own Application Installer ...
>> there is already two, one for maemo repository and one for ovi ...
>> adding an other one will be really confuse.
>>
>> But if there is someone which want to made the packages and publish it
>> to extras he is welcome.
>>
>> Actually i'm just trying to found the best solution, but i think in a
>> near future i ll not publish anythings anymore to "extras".
>>
>> 2010/3/8 Matan Ziv-Av <matan at svgalib.org>:
>> > On Mon, 8 Mar 2010, Graham Cobb wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Monday 08 March 2010 13:09:52 Benoît HERVIER wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 2010/3/8 Thomas Perl <th.perl at gmail.com>:
>> >>>> "I don't know if Khertan's problem is technical or political"
>> >>>
>> >>> The both, as i'm tired of fighting against bug and wrong thumb down in
>> >>> QA Testing.
>> >>
>> >> Thomas, I was not aware that there was a problem with the autobuilder,
>> >> with no
>> >> workround, preventing some packages from building.  That is definitely
>> >> a
>> >> severe problem and I will certainly push hard for a solution.  Thank
>> >> you
>> >> for
>> >> your efforts and your patience.
>> >>
>> >> Benoît, I am very disappointed that you have decided to create a
>> >> separate
>> >> repository.  I am not sure if you were around in the early days, with
>> >> the
>> >> 770, but the proliferation of repositories made things unmanageable for
>> >> both
>> >> users and developers, even with the very small number of users we had
>> >> then.
>> >> The problem was not just finding packages: the worst problems were
>> >> incompatabilites that prevented two packages from even being installed
>> >> on
>> >> the
>> >> same system! Re-creating that mess is no solution to even the most
>> >> serious
>> >> problems we have today.
>> >
>> > Why not have another repository (called extras-authors), describe it as
>> > repository of programs that their authors think are good enough for
>> > users,
>> > and allow authors sole discretion on promoting their packages from
>> > extras-devel to extras-authors. As long as the name is neutral, and the
>> > wiki/forum/mail-list are not full of warnings in size 72 blinking red
>> > letters that this repository certainly without any doubt will destroy
>> > your
>> > device, I am sure most of those who have seperate repositories will
>> > prefer
>> > to use such repository. I know that I will.
>> > After all, this is how extras repository worked in chinook/diablo, and I
>> > think it worked very well.
>> >
>> >
>> > --
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