[maemo-developers] External Repository and HAM

[From: Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

2010/3/8 Benoît HERVIER <khertan at khertan.net>

> By this thread i didn't want to launch a debate on why i'm creating my
> own repository, but as it s on the table now :
>
> - There is change in rules that happen frequently which seems to
> depends on phase of the moon.
>

Like what ? The CLI rules that took several months to reach a consensus ?

>
> - There is latency in the display things in the maemo.org/packages/
> interface which result of thumb down. Example : Last time i change the
> bugtracker link this one was ok in the package but it tooks 3 hours
> for this one to be displayed correctly in the web interface -> Result
> : thumb down and comment saying that the bug tracker link is wrong ...
> and of course other people vote thumb down without verifying nor the
> link in the interface nor the link in the control file of the package.
>
> - Sometimes package is never displayed to the package web interface
> .... so cannot promote it.
>
> - Sometimes promote package result is an php error, which mean that
> the package will be not promoted and cannot be anymore without
> publishing an other version and try again.
>
> - Sometimes icon display on the newest package is taken from an older one.
>
> - Sometimes changelog displayed on the armel version is taken from the
> i386 package (occur only when the armel package version of an app is
> newer than the i386 one)
>
>
Did you filled bug reports about these issues ?

Best regards,

-- 
Valério Valério

http://www.valeriovalerio.org

 - I'm not agree with some QA rules, like the fact that you should
> point as bug tracker the enter_new.php page so you do not let user
> made a search before or display the current know bug, so it ll result
> in duplicate bugs.
>




> - It s look like some users are here just to put thumb down just to
> gain some karma.
>
> Also about bugzilla :
>
> - Creating a nice user interface to help user to automatically put
> bugs directly on the tracker from their nit is not possible ... as
> b.m.o use bugzilla and i cannot modify it to accept creation of new
> bug from elsewhere than the ui.
>
> - Submitting bugs require a lot of patience actually, as i take
> several minutes to validate it (servers too slow ?) .
>
> - Asking a new product or version in b.m.o require delay, as it s  not
> something automated, but require you to send an email.
>
> And the most important things which guide my decision, is that
> currently, many thumb down make me angry as there was wrong vote, and
> the fact that i m passing more time to package than to develop didn't
> help.
>
> As all of my apps depends on python, it ll not create a "package
> dependancy hell."
>
> "I am not sure if you were around in the early days", i was, but i
> found that actually it s worse. Take a look for example on
> maemofrance.fr they say to all their readers that if they want
> interesting apps they should add extras-devel in ham... but as you can
> see there is many things that can break device in extras-devel
> actually.
>
> "the developers have to understand that the testers are not slaves"
> I didn't consider testers as slaves, but i consider today myself as
> slave of the qa testing process.
>
> "If you drop out of Extras then you are not only causing damage to the
> community (due to the proliferation of repositories) but also severely
> limiting your access to users."
>
> The purpose isn't to causing damage to the community, but it s
> actually too borring to trying to publish things to extras than
> creating my own repository which is, i think, actually the better
> solution i have ... The worst is stopping all publications of my
> applications ... or just put the source code on my web site and
> letting user installing it manually. At least i know 3 developpers
> currently which consider to not upload to extras. And instead of that
> creating there own repository, i didn't know there real reason ... i
> just can imagine.
>
> The other solution i see is creating my own Application Installer ...
> there is already two, one for maemo repository and one for ovi ...
> adding an other one will be really confuse.
>
> But if there is someone which want to made the packages and publish it
> to extras he is welcome.
>
> Actually i'm just trying to found the best solution, but i think in a
> near future i ll not publish anythings anymore to "extras".
>
> 2010/3/8 Matan Ziv-Av <matan at svgalib.org>:
> > On Mon, 8 Mar 2010, Graham Cobb wrote:
> >
> >> On Monday 08 March 2010 13:09:52 Benoît HERVIER wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> 2010/3/8 Thomas Perl <th.perl at gmail.com>:
> >>>> "I don't know if Khertan's problem is technical or political"
> >>>
> >>> The both, as i'm tired of fighting against bug and wrong thumb down in
> >>> QA Testing.
> >>
> >> Thomas, I was not aware that there was a problem with the autobuilder,
> >> with no
> >> workround, preventing some packages from building.  That is definitely a
> >> severe problem and I will certainly push hard for a solution.  Thank you
> >> for
> >> your efforts and your patience.
> >>
> >> Benoît, I am very disappointed that you have decided to create a
> separate
> >> repository.  I am not sure if you were around in the early days, with
> the
> >> 770, but the proliferation of repositories made things unmanageable for
> >> both
> >> users and developers, even with the very small number of users we had
> >> then.
> >> The problem was not just finding packages: the worst problems were
> >> incompatabilites that prevented two packages from even being installed
> on
> >> the
> >> same system! Re-creating that mess is no solution to even the most
> serious
> >> problems we have today.
> >
> > Why not have another repository (called extras-authors), describe it as
> > repository of programs that their authors think are good enough for
> users,
> > and allow authors sole discretion on promoting their packages from
> > extras-devel to extras-authors. As long as the name is neutral, and the
> > wiki/forum/mail-list are not full of warnings in size 72 blinking red
> > letters that this repository certainly without any doubt will destroy
> your
> > device, I am sure most of those who have seperate repositories will
> prefer
> > to use such repository. I know that I will.
> > After all, this is how extras repository worked in chinook/diablo, and I
> > think it worked very well.
> >
> >
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