[maemo-developers] Package promoting

[From: Attila Csipa]

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Polyvertex <polyvertex at gmail.com> wrote:

> Understood. That's only a part of my point.
>
> My main concern is that users don't always vote and do feedbacks plus
> the fact they currently don't know where to go if they want to. This
> is a fact.
> This problem cannot be seen with popular and visible applications but
> it becomes a blocking one with small applications, hence my initial
> post : the extras repository contains a too old version of my
> application since too long, and the right version is stuck into
> extras-testing. This is also a fact.
>
>
The trouble is that no matter how popular apps like FAP or appdownloader
get, IMO there will always be a very dominant number of users who will use
the system-provided app manager. I agree that the scoring scheme for Extras
which we DO have on maemo.org is grossly underutilized - something that IMO
stems from the previous point (giving feedback is difficult and people don't
install things from the web anyway). I feel the best we can do for
*fremantle* is continue streamlining extras-testing (extras-assistant and
FAP are of course very welcome to make this experience better for at least a
portion of users) and try to get these points as clearly as possible through
to the Harmattan program so that this stuff in the ends finds it's way to
next-gen app managers.



> When I expose those two facts here, the answers I get is that things
> has been drastically improved since Chinook/Diablo epoch and one is
> even happy about the nature of my complain. Great.
>

I'm not happy that there are things that are broken or inefficient - I just
think it's a good thing that we ARE moving in a good direction of reducing
delays without outright sacrificing the relatively safe-harbor nature of
Extras. Not perfect, and needs continuous kaizen-style improvement, but
moving ! (I *really* need to make some graphs...) Please forgive me if I
discard something with something seen as a been-there-done-that, it's not
dismissive of your enthusiasm or popping ideas in - it's just that some
things have been debated over quite extensively and I don't see that
anything has changed fundamentally that would make a difference.

You see, in my example, I am perfectly aware that the testing version
> of my application will never reach this 10 karmas score and that it
> will be unlocked only because time has passed. This is a problem.
>

Yes, that's why we will try to increase tester input volume with specialized
tools. On a side note - it will be unlocked because you have at least 3
positive tester votes, the additional quarantine time is there only to avoid
the tester votes 'overpowering' non-tester votes. And yes, I agree that we
might need different rules for packages that are updates for things already
in extras (as that is already listed in extras-testing procedure
improvements).

@Naresh: Hey, I'm a dev with packages in extras-* too ! :)

Best regards,
Attila
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