[maemo-users] N810 Now Resets Very Frequently

From: Mark wolfmane at gmail.com
Date: Tue Jul 15 19:51:03 EEST 2008
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Kalle Valo <kalle.valo at nokia.com> wrote:
> "ext Mark" <wolfmane at gmail.com> writes:
>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 8:12 AM, Igor Stoppa <igor.stoppa at nokia.com> wrote:
>>> http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html
>> This is not helpful and in fact is inflammatory.
> I have no clue what inflammatory means


> (and I'm too lazy to find out),

...but below you call other people lazy. How hypocritical of you...

> but the link Igor provided was helpful. I recommend you to calm down
> and just read it. Or better yet, read it twice.

I've seen (and read) this many times, and the link is always sent by
some arrogant jerk who has no respect for others and their
differences. The article is written with the same attitude that
everyone should have the same (high) level of knowledge and ability.
It's unrealistic. Yes, there's some good information in there, but the
bottom line is the attitude that there's no place for the novice, and
the burden of finding and solving bugs is on the poor hapless soul who
innocently installs some app that then causes them major headaches.
Get real!

When I first took Computer Science classes in the early 1980s (prior
to Micro$oft's deplorable influence on the industry), one of the basic
and emphatically enforced rules was that one was responsible for one's
own code, and that one was obligated to write code that gracefully
handled errors and exceptions as well as run comprehensive testing and
fully document the code. Unfortunately, by the late 1990s, that had
changed, and now developers seem to think that they have no
responsibility whatsoever to write decent code or provide decent

> I'll definitely start using this link in bad bug reports. Igor, this
> is just what I have needed, grazie!
>> When one has a problem with a device it is helpful to find out if
>> others are having the same problem, and may have already solved it.
>> If so, great. If no one else is having the same problem, then it's
>> probably an installed app rather than the OS. Then one can start
>> narrowing down suspects as to the cause. People have to start
>> somewhere, and why should they duplicate efforts that others have
>> already made, or go to great lengths to fix something that is
>> impossible because it's a bug in the OS?
> So basically you want others do all the work for you? It doesn't work
> that way. Try to show that you have tried to do something to solve the
> problem, for example by writing as much as info as possible. That way
> people might be a bit more motivated to answer.

No, but obviously *you* do. You also don't see a problem with hundreds
of people doing exactly the same work in parallel, wasting huge
amounts of effort and time when it's much more efficient and helpful
for people to be in communication and not duplicate each others'

>> RTFM is *never* an acceptable response.
> That's the best way to learn and educate yourself, and in the end you
> get better results.

No, it most certainly is NOT "the best" way to learn and educate
yourself. Even if you ignore the fact that "The Manual" is frequently
poorly written and hard to understand, not everyone learns in the same
way, and for some it is *particularly* difficult to learn and
understand just by reading printed words. There are kinesthetic
learners, visual learners, and auditory learners. But nearly everyone
can follow specific, concise, step-by-step instructions - the kind
that "The Manual" almost NEVER supplies...

> But if you insist doing everything your way, don't
> be surprised if people are not willing to help you.

There's the pot calling the kettle black. I'm the one who's saying
that flexibility and communication is key. You're the one insisting
that your way is the only acceptable way.


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