[maemo-users] the hell of Maemo repos

From: sebastian maemo sebastian.maemo at gmail.com
Date: Sat Nov 22 20:47:47 EET 2008
2008/11/22 Dmitry S. Makovey <dimon at makovey.net>

> first of all: why do you reflash your 770? Ever since I've got my 800 I
> have reflashed it exactly once - to get Diablo. Is there some specific
> requirement of 770 to reflash it so often? Is that because of the fact
> that pre-diablo systems can't be upgraded without reflash?

Because 770 gets easily corrupted...

In 770 you can originally only install up to half a hundred of MB apps more
or less... This is clearly not enough for an active end-user...

After doing some research and asking Fanoush's help, I edited the first wiki
"how to easily boot from your MMC" (or MMC for dummies like me). Now this
wiki is a classic, and has been deprecated (without asking me at all, it's
ok, this is the way wiki works, I understand it perfectly) and substituted
by something that I'm still not sure whether it also works for 770 (I'm
going to check it this weekend).

So that I finally managed to boot from MMC and install all apps I really
needed... The problem is that this system gets easily corrupted (last time
it was because I tried to format corrupted MMC vfat partition, but did it
the wrong way and made unusable my ext2 partition, so that I need to start
again from ground zero). To clone the system to the MMC you need to start
from a fresh flashed device (I've experienced many kind of problems when not
doing so).

Secondly: you seem to know which packages you want/like/use. Why don't
> you have them handy someplace safe? every linux system I own (which is
> much more than one) has a "cache" of packages I have installed currently
> in one form or another so that in case my system/internet/something else
> goes in flames - I can rebuild safely. You reflash your device - you
> know you will need packages you have installed currently, why do you not
> keep copy of them? You seem like an "advanced" kind of person. It's a
> common sense, considering you've ran into that problem before.

Because nobody told me to do so. I never imagined that Nokia and/or Maemo
would be so irresponsible as to allow this to happen. I've never built my
own Debian repo. So I thought that my needed deb packages would be there
safe in the net... Of course, before starting this thread (some minutes
before) first thing I did was to save in a folder all my deb packages. I
even downloaded kismet package from a private owner who was so kind... so
that the thread was just a complain against Nokia and Maemo, though my
problem was already solved half an hour before... The aim of my complain was
to help other users not to suffer this same problem (that I had already
solved for me)...

Instead of accusing Nokia I would suggest to go to the "source" of the
> problem and ask repo maintainers for reasons why repo has disappeared
> and what are the alternative solutions if any.

In my humild (and maybe wrong) opinion Nokia is the "source" of the problem.
That's what people see when I boot my device (that I tell them it's not a
PDA but a full GNU/Linux box laptop, and I even teach my students C++
programming compiling simple programs directly in the 770): "Ohh, it's a

Just going around and blaming the biggest elephant in the zoo is not going
> to bring back to
> life your goat that escaped over the fence. Yes, situation with repos is
> a Zoo and Nokia is the biggest animal there so it is convenient to yell
> at them at all times, but not always is it their fault.

Well, that's your point of view... (and many others' here in this list).

I'm an N800 user. I shot my foot off on more than one occasion just because
> I've
> decided to get "adventurous" and include or enable something Nokia has
> very little (if any) control over. Would I want Nokia to seize control
> and protect me from myself? No. I want to be able to screw up and learn
> from it. What you're asking is for Nokia to take full controll. No
> apples here thankyouverymuch. I like my eco-system exactly the way it
> is. Repos are responsible for their content and are should answer to
> their users. Nokia is (as a repo owner) reponsible for content in it's
> *own* repos and it should remain that way.

I agree with that.

> I applaud their effort consolidating repos, however I don't expect that
> Nokia will have all
> repos consolidated.

Before Nokia tried to "consolidate" any repo my problem didn't exist... My
problem came with Nokia's decision... So though they're indirectly
responsible for that... (from my point of view, of course).

And *that* is up to repo owners. Repo owner took
> repo offline - ask them.

I don't agree with that.

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