[maemo-developers] Public maemo repository

[From: Daniel Stone]

On Fri, Jul 27, 2007 at 09:14:09PM +0200, ext Kees Jongenburger wrote:
> > Er, how is this different from Debian, where you have a number of
> > package descriptions and task definitions that sbuild/buildd/debuild
> > uses to build?  (Bearing in mind that debian/rules is a Makefile, and
> > thus infinitely flexible.)
> 
> What kind of step does a "user" have to take between creating it's own
> package and the sbuild/buildd/debuild aproach? isn't this hole
> open-source thingy about giving power to the user?

It depends entirely on the tools.  You could easily construct an
improved dh_make that required no editing of any files at all.  It has
nothing to do with the packaging system itself, as cdbs's three-line
debian/rules files have shown.

> > Sounds like a recipe for crap packages to me (maybe OE's are good, I
> > don't actually know).  If you want incredibly basic skeleton packages,
> > just use the dh_make template and ignore them, and the packages won't be
> > any good.  If you want to fix them up so they conform to policy, are
> > more generally useful, are split as they should be, etc, then you'll
> > need to spend time on your packages.
> 
> If you are using dh_make you are not using the "power" of the existing
> debian packages and you are in trouble

Who was saying this?  Using dh_make is fine.  If you want your packages
to be good, then you should clean up the template a bit, yes.

> if you don't use dh_make and try to use upstream packages + patches
> you are in trouble because you are creating the chaos youself, You are
> also prooving that  the initial "source" packaging was not sufficient
> for your need

I don't see what you mean here?

> > This is no different from ebuilds, spec files, or any packaging system
> > I've ever used.  The only difference is that debian/ tends to be a
> > little more verbose for the skeleton case.  But the core is the same: if
> > you want crap packages, then you can easily create them in any packaging
> > system.  If you want good packages, then you need to spend a bit more
> > time.
> 
> I think there is a big difference between those systems. Me as
> developer ,I have the same tools as you the packager (as I tend to
> call people who create packages)
> bsd ports,gentoo portage and oe contain meta packages.
> 
> lets' face it what good did the packaging bring maemo until now? I
> don't understand I am still waisting my time with this packaging
> issue.

The possibly to derive from an existing system, not having to invent our
own packages or tools to solve problems that have already been taken
care of long ago?

Cheers,
Daniel
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